[FIXED] [Death Knight][Unholy][PvP] Crypt Fever ICD

[prime95]

WoW Freakz spell link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=199722&&name=crypt-fever
Bug description: ICD is way too high currently (like 4-5 seconds from my observations). It should be 1 second.
Proof: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dJm4EJFgbyw:


Best example at 1:05 when the monk teleports behind LoS with nothing but Festering Wounds on him. You can notice he's taking damage once per second - that's Crypt Fever.

[Quicksand]

ICD is 3 seconds, not 4-5, 1 would be ridiculously op.

[prime95]

Ridicolously OP or not, it's the blizzlike value and should be fixed.

EDIT: If you need further proof then consider these:
- The enemy DK is not playing with other talents. We can immediately rule out Wandering Plague as there's no specific debuff. Also he's not playing with Pandemic either because 1. The duration of the diseases is never refreshed on the monk whenever he reapplies diseases on his partner DK and 2. The monk does not take extra damage when diseases are reapplied.
- Closely follow the two Death Knight's DPS during the matches (recount down in the right corner). 90% of time it stays above 100k, and that is mostly due to constant damage being pushed by Crypt Fever, especially since there are two HoT-based healers in the arena.

[Magicqtz]

Is 3 sec right now on the patch blizz.

I'm doubt in 7.1.5 blizz was 1sec.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/sylvanas/mostfckedup

[Tianton]

It should be 3 sec, and i think right now on hard casted heals is 3 seec, but on hots im pretty sure its 5 sec

[prime95]

The video was posted on February 27th. Patch 7.1.5 was released on January 11th. Also check the video description "World of Warcraft Legion Patch 7.1.5".
The only change to Crypt Fever in 7.1.5 was the 15% nerf on February 21, which is already live on our server : http://www.wowhead.com/news=260416/blizzard-posts-upcoming-class-and-pvp-tuning-for-february-21st-mistweaver-feedba
The only time blizzard changed its proc rate was in 7.2.5. They completely reworked Crypt Fever so it has different proc rates against different healers.
http://www.wowhead.com/news=266263/patch-7-2-5-hotfixes-for-june-20-reddit-developer-ama-this-friday
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20754487652?page=2
If we're going to implement 7.2.5 PvP changes we might as well do that for all classes right?

I keep bringing tangible proof that it's 1 second ICD.
You keep saying it's 3 seconds - but where is YOUR proof?

[Apheks]

I posted exactly same thing and my post got insta rejected by angry GM. Go play the game first and see how unholy is atm, how can you even consider it "OP" when our DPS in arena is 70k while ferals are pushing almost 200k. Crypt Fever is legit only ability that applies serious pressure and makes unholy viable spec, without it UH is USELESS and has no DMG outside of 1.5min cd apocalypse burst. I had a video proof as well showing ICD is way too long. Plz fix this. Ty

[Pyrx87]

im doing 120-140k in arena easily. I know its still lower then ferals. But nothing wrong with our dmg.

[Magicqtz]

prime95 wrote:

The video was posted on February 27th. Patch 7.1.5 was released on January 11th. Also check the video description "World of Warcraft Legion Patch 7.1.5". The only change to Crypt Fever in 7.1.5 was the 15% nerf on February 21, which is already live on our server : http://www.wowhead.com/news=260416/blizzard-posts-upcoming-class-and-pvp-tuning-for-february-21st-mistweaver-feedba The only time blizzard changed its proc rate was in 7.2.5. They completely reworked Crypt Fever so it has different proc rates against different healers. http://www.wowhead.com/news=266263/patch-7-2-5-hotfixes-for-june-20-reddit-developer-ama-this-friday https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20754487652?page=2 If we're going to implement 7.2.5 PvP changes we might as well do that for all classes right? I keep bringing tangible proof that it's 1 second ICD. You keep saying it's 3 seconds - but where is YOUR proof?

You say that 1 sec must be even for rdruids where most heals are hots, if we say that is 1 sec how it supposed to heal a rdruid?

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/sylvanas/mostfckedup

[prime95]

Maybe a druid can apply multiple hots, resulting in more than 1 tick / sec and easily outhealing crypt fever? Maybe he can go healing touch spec? Dunno dude, just using my common sense here. In any case, Unholy DKs were eating resto druids for breakfast in 2v2.

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20753276069
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/6118lr/rdruid_vs_crypt_fever/
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20754806001#post-12
http://www.arenajunkies.com/strategy/death-knight/121-%7Cunholy-death-knight-pvp-guide%7C-legion/

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This tier is extremely amazing. Crypt fever is literally the highest dps ability that you will have versus teams that have a lot of hot healing, like resto druids and mistweaver monks. You will notice that it will top your dps meters, which is hilarious to me because a passive ability shouldn't do that much in my opinion, but it is what it is. It may seem weak versus classes that don't have many hot healing options, but is still the best option on that tier.

And indeed it did top DPS meters. On retail RBGs I used to do 30m+ damage with crypt fever alone as long as there were 2-3 resto druids or mw monks on the other team. It was easily 30% of my overall damage.

And if you're talking about 2v2 balancing, it's utter crap in legion and boring as hell to play. The scene was dominated by Unholy DK + mw / rdruid / rsham or DH + dpriest or boomkin + <insert random class and spec> beating almost everything in 10 min deep dampening.

[Amnezx]

don`t wanna defend or sth the class, but unholy was op on 7.1.5, right now it`s far from being op, it`s at the bottom of the charts, with me being the only guy playing unholy, the majority of the dks still playing frost.

[raven3]

I highly doubt crypt fever should have a 1 sec icd because :
1. Crypt fever tops the dps charts in arena as it is right now. I played some games with Amnezx after the fix and after each game I checked recount to see how much dmg it is doing. ~ almost every game it was in the top 2 dmg abilities and ~half the time was #1 dmg ability.

2. With pure hot healing reasto druids would deal negative healing against just crypt fever in 0 deampening. I checked a lot of forums and negative healing with hots for rdruids should happen only after at least ~50-60% dampening

how it would be for rdruid:
in the span of a 3 second window.
1.rejuvenation 35k, second rejuvenation from talent 35k, lifebloom 10k and maybe wild growth ~20k or hot from regrowth that heals also for 10-15k if I remember correctly = ~100-110k hot healing every 3 seconds.

2. crypt fever deals at least 3 x 35k = 115k

so with 1 sec cd crypt fever would negate druid's hot healing in 0 dampening and would start producing negative healing just after that.
I don't think that should happen.

[Magicqtz]

It's like, you enter in arena as rdruid, you encounter unh dk and in 0 damp your only spell to heal is healing touch with 2.2sec cast, there is no sense if icd is 1sec. Practically, you stay as dummy as rdruid.

I saw that hotfix in 7.2, idk if it's true for 7.1.5, i'll check again with a friend on blizz and on video you put i can't figure it out personally at that minute that procs every 1 sec, can you find another one? For sure must be vs rdruids because may be the most retarded thing vs them in legion pvp and people would rage on blizz if it is 1sec.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/sylvanas/mostfckedup

[Amnezx]

Again, not defending the class, but: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20754487652

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crypt fever = winning by default in a certain stage of dampening i mean it'd be cool if dks pressed their buttons and didnt win 2s games by default

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crypt fever was unhealthy for the game based on how it was much stronger vs different healers but the change they proposed sounds like an artifact trait rng idea they just slapped on for a bandaid fix

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Thing is, without alll of the talents you guys are complaining about UH dks can rot so much, they're very strong and Crypt Fever was way too strong.

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Well it's either that or "this effect can't happen more than once every 2 seconds" which would probably be worse overall.

I think it was supposed to be like this, without icd or with 1 sec icd. You can see a lot of topics complaining about the crypt fever


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https://youtube.com/watch?v=dY4e9PnRMwc&t=355:

from min 5.34 he`s facing a resto druid comp, the resto druid is playing healing touch spec

[raven3]

crypt fever = winning by default in a certain stage of dampening i mean it'd be cool if dks pressed their buttons and didnt win 2s games by default

Yeah but with 1 sec icd would win the game by default in 0% dampening vs druids cause it would negate all the hots and like magic said.. the only healing a druid would do would be with a very long cast of healing touch and a 30 sec cd swiftmend.

anyway.. I will check some videos and come back with some proof if it should be 1 2 or 3 seconds