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Post Posted: 31-03-2012, 11:10:40 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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Dupa cum spune si titlul topicului, aici este un loc pentru discutii cu si despre shamanul restoration, atat pve si cat si pvp, rugamintea mea este ca la orice intrebare sa raspundeti doar daca sunteti siguri ca aveti dreptate, eventual raspunsul sa fie acompaniat de dovezi sau linkuri spre o sursa oficiala a informatiei.

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As you cand see in the topic's title, this is a place for discussion with and about restoration shamans, pve and pvp related, my only request is that you answer any question only if you are certain about your information, and it would better if your answer came with a proof or a link to an official source.



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resto shaman, la gear decent, ce preferati, heartsong sau power torrent? eu personal joc cu power torrent pe specul de resto dar fiind off-specul meu nu am reflexe chiar asa bune si fac destul de mult overheal, deci trebuie sa fiu foarte atent sa nu raman fara mana, mai ales pe 10


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Post Posted: 09-04-2012, 15:15:21 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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resto shaman, la gear decent, ce preferati, heartsong sau power torrent? eu personal joc cu power torrent pe specul de resto dar fiind off-specul meu nu am reflexe chiar asa bune si fac destul de mult overheal, deci trebuie sa fiu foarte atent sa nu raman fara mana, mai ales pe 10


Cu un gear decent ar trebuii sa ai off combat undeva la 2500 spirit si incombat undeva la 3500 (tsunamy + Jar of Ancient Remedy+ mana tide totem cand esti undeva la 75% , 50 % mana + water shield + might sau mana spring totem, tu ar trebuii sa fii ultimu healer care ramane fara mana.
Daca ai rezolvat problema cu mana atunci power torrent e singuru enchant de care ai nevoie pe weapon. In general pe shamy resto se joaca la crit si mastery, dar cum nu merge chiar atat de bine crit (uneori la chain heal cand dai crit iti consuma mai mult mana decat trebuie), poti sa joci la haste.

Ca sa nu mai faci overheal aiurea trebuie sa dai in felul urmator heal:

- healing rain pe grup, pui earthshield pe cel mai mult afectat+ riptide+ unleash element + chainheal de cateva ori(. Daca ai un mastery decent, o sa dai crit heal pe cei cu mai putin hp)

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in primul rand, nu am nevoie de sfaturi "cum sa nu fac overheal" si nici de rotatii de healing, cu atat mai putin de la tine care nu ai habar cu ce se mananca shamanu, pe nici un spec, intrebarea era simpla, HEARTSONG sau POWER TORRENT

am nevoie de pareri, nu de training sau de guides



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Post Posted: 10-04-2012, 00:14:55 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

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in primul rand, nu am nevoie de sfaturi "cum sa nu fac overheal" si nici de rotatii de healing, cu atat mai putin de la tine care nu ai habar cu ce se mananca shamanu, pe nici un spec, intrebarea era simpla, HEARTSONG sau POWER TORRENT

am nevoie de pareri, nu de training sau de guides


Heartsong, deoarece la valiona 25h de exemplu, niciodata nu ai mana destula -> deci heartsong
Oricum e nerfat shamanu in pve in legatura cu mana, daca mai pui si power torrent dai heal cu hp-u .....




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Post Posted: 10-04-2012, 11:56:14 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Faci cum vrei, eu nu fac overhealing si nici nu raman fara mana - si joc la power torrent, dar daca habar nu am de clasa mea si rotatiile mele sunt naspa cum se face ca tu esti cel care ramane fara mana, pe shaman...

a da ...uite shamanu meu http://armory.freakz.ro/character-feed.xml?r=Evolution&&cn=Gyugyuka&&gn=Evo incat doamne fereste sa intru in vreun raid de heroic..

1 din 10 shamani resto joaca la hearthsong, restu prefera power torrent

si apropo ma uitam peste charu tau si... nu stiam ca s-a deschis Throne of the Four Winds:))) (shoulderele sunt singurele iteme pe care nu le-ai castigat in joc cumva? )

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in primul rand, iti mai zic odata, am deschis subiectul pentru dezbateri si discutii, pareri, nu pentru sfaturi
in al doilea rand, inca o data, te bate jocul, umerii prica in primul rand la cho'gal heroic
in al treilea rand, inainte sa ma intrebi daca am donat si pentru altceva in afara de umeri, uitete putin la activitatea mea in joc, ca un hint asa

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eu daca raman fara mana in raid, raman pentru ca stiu sa joc shamanul spre deosebire de tine, tu daca folosesti "rotatie" pe healer, e clar cat de mult te duce capul, pe healer totul se rezuma la reflexe si la cat de bine cunosti scriptul bossului la care te aflii, ca sa sti sa previi damageul, sa stii sa faci un precast pe healing rain sau chain heal, sa sti pe cine sa pui earth shieldu, si asa mai departe, te asigur ca daca fac un raid cu tine tu nu ai ce sa healezi, faci doar overheal cu "rotatia" ta de healing





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Post Posted: 11-04-2012, 11:00:41 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Shamy healer e un healer de aoe- raid suport, special buffer si in general ultimu healer care ramane fara mana. Spui ca nu folosesti rotatie sa dai heal eficient? dc nu ma surprinde?

Overheal = risipa de mana

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a stii sa faci un precast pe healing rain sau chain heal, sa sti pe cine sa pui earth shieldu,

tu shtii? Overheal inseamna sa dai heal la cei care nu au nevoie
Sa dai heal eficient nu inseamna sa mentii raidu full HP pana ramai fara mana, inseamna sa ii mentii pe toti in viata pana la sfarsit.
ziceai de rotatie? ia zii ce se intampla daca pui earthshield pe tank, dai riptide + chain heal?
o sugestie.. ai ceva acolo in bara cu denumirea spellbook -, da, da exact langa talente... are si poze alea alea.

Inapoi la topic: spui ca nu te intereseaza daca ramai fara mana in raid atata timp cat dai heal eficient si totusi vb de hearthsong pe weapon care iti da spirit, pe cand power torrent iti da intel (intel = heal mai eficient)

ps: ce bine ar fii sa pice umerii la magmaw heroic...dar din picate pica numai waistu -> https://www.wow-freakz.com/npc_finder.php?npc=4157003&&name=magmaw-25h -> deci te rog nu mai ma face sa imi fac iluzii aiurea -

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si daca tot suntem la rubrica la care ne dam mare

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eu fac pvp si folosesc power torrent , dar pt pve cred car fi mai bun hearthsong




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Post Posted: 21-04-2012, 10:48:52 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Pentru ecountere in care se ia dmg din primele secunde , ca resto shaman (mai bine zis orice healer, zic de shaman ca e ft bun aoe) incepi cu un volcanic potion , si cu power torrent pe arma , un boost fenomenal de intel + mana pool imens , iti permite sa spamezi efectiv healul , dupa ce se duc si potiunea si enchantu ai sanse sa ramai cu full mana ....


Dar revenind ON-TOPIC raspunsul cel mai simplu ar fi power torrent , de ce? Intel = Spell power + Mana pool , Spirit = Un Combat regen care nu da aceleasi rezultate ca in cazul Intelectului , nu boosteaza efectiv aproape deloc momentul ala de proc , in timp ce la power torrent il simti din plin.

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Post Posted: 10-05-2012, 23:00:00 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Daca ai gear slab heartsong all the way . daca ai gear cat d cat decent power torrent mi se pare cu mult superior pt ca intellect =
-spell power
-crit
-mana regen (intellectul face parte din formula de regen alaturi d spirit)

in + daca astepti si dai mana tide cand se activeaza power torrent vei primi mai multa mana . just my 2 cents

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Daca ai gear slab heartsong all the way . daca ai gear cat d cat decent power torrent mi se pare cu mult superior pt ca intellect =
-spell power
-crit
-mana regen (intellectul face parte din formula de regen alaturi d spirit)

in + daca astepti si dai mana tide cand se activeaza power torrent vei primi mai multa mana . just my 2 cents



nici power torrent, nici alt buff de intellect, si nici vreun buff de scurta durata de spirit (heartsong, potiuni, procuri, useuri) nu influenteaza absolut deloc mana tide, in primul rand mana tide iti da +400% din spiritul tau, nu are legatura nici cu intellectul nici cu mana pool, in al doilea rand scrie clar in tooltip ca nu ia in considerare short time effects

daca tot vreti sa oferiti niste informatii sau sfaturi, fiti siguri ca aveti dreptate si documentati-va bine inainte, nu e deloc frumos sa induceti alti jucatori in eroare



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Post Posted: 20-05-2012, 11:25:20 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Deci ...in primul rand in 4.0.6 Heartsong este una din exceptiile d short term bufs care afecteaza Mana Tide .

In al 2'lea rand formula de mana regen in combat este
IC Mana/5 = (SPIRIT * sqrt{INT} * 0.003345 * 5 * 0.5) + BCR
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Base Class Regen — “BCR” in the formula above:

Druid: 931
Paladin: 1171
Priest: 1029
Shaman: 1171

sa presupunem ca avem un shaman cu 4500 intel si 2100 spirit mp5 in combat va fii

(2100*sqrt(4500)*0.003345*5*0.5)+1171=2349 mp5 in combat

acum sa vedem c mana regen are acelasi shaman in timpul la mana tide +400% spirit deci 2100*5=10500 spirit pe durata la mana tide

(10500*sqrt(4500)*0.003345*5*0.5)+1171=7061 mp5 in combat

next sa presupunem ca folosim mana tide in timp c buful d power torrent e activ deci intellectul devine 4500+500=5000 intel

(10500*sqrt(5000)*0.003345*5*0.5)+1171=7379 mp5 in combat

Nu e game breaking dar tot e cva .Este adevarat ca Power torrent nu afecteaza cu nimic mana tide in mod direct insa afecteaza formula de mana regen .Asta voiam sa zic atunci cand am pomenit ca mana tide in timpul la power torrent mareste cantitatea d mana primita .Sa ma corectati daca am gresit cva -

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Post Posted: 21-05-2012, 13:42:28 | Translate post to: ... (Click for more languages)

Mana tide totem iti da 400 % din spiritul de baza pe care il ai la stats, fara procuri sau potiuni sau buffuri.
400 % din spirit, nu din mana regen, etc -asa este aici pe freaks si crede-ma ca am incercat toate.

Daca sa zicem ai trinketu de heal din tol barad, Mandala of Stirring Patterns si iti procuie -> 1926 intel -> asta inseamna cam 50 k mana pool timp de 10 sec (nu ai 50 k mana in plus, e doar spatiu pe care poti sa il umplii) si dai mana tide si te trezesti cu 150k mana..si subit dispare procu, ei bine in clipa aia iti dispare si mana pe care o ai in plus.

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