[DUPLICATE] [Druid][Feral] Shred damage vs PvP

[raven3]

WoW Freakz spell link: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=5221 (wowhead link)
Bug description: doing way to much damage
with bleeds up so +20% damage I'm doing ~150-152k crits on the pvp dummy
but in this video
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MyVV1VAWW0w:


at 6:07 we can see that in the same circumstances (with bleeds up) the feral crits the hunter (which I think has the same amount of armor as the pvp dummy) for ~97k
That's a huge difference .

more evidence of shred damage on bleeding target without any other burst:
same video
at 7:49 105k crit with bleeds up (+20% dmg) on spriest (who is cloth but has 10% physical dmg reduction from shadowform)

at 8:16 50k noncrit with bleeds up on a balance druid who is in human form(no bonus armor from moonkin form) and has 20% dmg reduction from barkskin

Just did a test in arena on a resto druid with barkskin up.
I did ~93k noncrit
that's almost double than what the feral in the video did.
http://imgur.com/a/cKLpb

another test:
in the video : https://youtube.com/watch?v=njlXTvbWvcQ:


at 8:40 the feral with https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=5217 (wowhead link), 1 stack - 4% incr from https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=203052 (wowhead link), https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=102543 (wowhead link), bleeds upt (20% increase on shred) and 15% increase from 3 stacks of https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=210631 (wowhead link)
he did ~216k shred crit on an arcane mage

just recreated the conditions in arena -
with the exact same buffs on an arcane mage I did 403k shred crit
http://imgur.com/a/lN0le

but in the video the mage had devotion aura from paly on him https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=183425 (wowhead link)
so even if let's say paly used https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=31821 (wowhead link) then -20% dmg taken
then the nonreduced damage would have been 270k

so here in burst shred did ~50% (at least) more damage than on retail.

[Akiyama]

Players do have "versatility" which decreases damage taken aswell, have you considered this? Players have armor and versatility but the dummy only has armor.

[raven3]

Akiyama wrote:

Players do have "versatility" which decreases damage taken aswell, have you considered this? Players have armor and versatility but the dummy only has armor.

Yep I considered it.
versatility decreases damage taken by ~5% but the difference from the damage done here and in that video are between 50% and 90% (shred damage. From what I can see bleed damage is ok)
And I tested on player target in arena - see towards the end of my original post.

[Akiyama]

raven3 wrote:

Akiyama wrote: Players do have "versatility" which decreases damage taken aswell, have you considered this? Players have armor and versatility but the dummy only has armor. Yep I considered it. versatility decreases damage taken by ~5% but the difference from the damage done here and in that video are between 50% and 90% (shred damage. From what I can see bleed damage is ok) And I tested on player target in arena - see towards the end of my original post.

I'll look into this.

[Quicksand]

I have around 13k weapon damage. Coefficient is 695%, that is 90350. With 9.81% versa, we get to 99213. Then we add 20% for bleeds, 119055. Now we add 15% from Feral Instinct, that's 136913. Incarnation makes it use as from stealth, that's 50% bonus damage: 205370. Tiger's Fury another 15% => 236176. 1 Stack of King of the Jungle => 245623. Shredded Fangs (basic artifact trait, gives +15% shred damage) => 282467. Give this a 1.5x crit => 423700. As a 840 mage, I have around 15% armor => ~360k. This is if we roll with the lowest weapon damage (it's a random number between mindamage and maxdamage, my maxdamage is around 14k, which would be a total of 8% increase, getting a max of 390k crit). I am not really sure how bugged it is. In this case we didn't even take into consideration Bloodtalons (that'd be +50%, meaning almost 600k with crit).

There is nothing wrong with the server-side calculations, no weird numbers show up while following the calculations. It might be a missing pvp modifier, but I doubt it. I have made it "normalized weapon damage", so it got a bit lower, but nothing significant. Make your own calculations, damage is more than possible. The only thing that could explain it is the pvp modifier, since templates are correct.

[Magicqtz]

Bless the one who discover this op..sometimes gamebreaking in pvp bug...

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/sylvanas/mostfckedup

[Foxed]

Flashbacks from the start of mop, if i recall correctly feral was bugged at the start too and 1shoted ppl

https://www.freakz.ro/forum/achievement-Unique-a176.html

[Quicksand]

We are talking exclusively of Shred's damage, and as you see, I can pretty much get those numbers by pure math, no shenanigans...

[raven3]

that's true.
I also did the math and it adds up to very high numbers.
But I think it's very clear that we can see a big gap between what we see in 7.1.5 videos and what we hit or we are hit for on ptr
http://imgur.com/a/kmFP2
But I have no idea what could be the problem.
Btw I'm giving 50 rep to the person who identifies the problem with shred

[Quicksand]

Yeah, we can... the only thing I could do is "hotfix" it with a 80% pvp modifier for example. would not mean that it's solved, but it would mean that it's tuned down a bit to avoid being OP. I need a lot of feedback on this thought. Please tell everyone you know to share their ideas here: what should be the reudction %?

[Foxed]

I think this is ok, it happened on mop too until we found the corect formula, also are you sure the buffs stacks like this.. maybe they all take some base dmg into calculations not the already increased one?

https://www.freakz.ro/forum/achievement-Unique-a176.html

[Quicksand]

On MoP a single formula could fill in 2 pages. you don't really understand the mechanics behind the curtain... the formulas are overlysimplified, there is no need to check anything there. As I said, I followed step-by-step the calculations, it all makes sense what's happening there. All damage I dealt could be accounted for (every kind of spell bonus)

[Foxed]

with your numbers , how much it should strike on blizz? 13k weapon damage. Coefficient is 695%, that is 90350. With 9.81% versa, we get to 99213

https://www.freakz.ro/forum/achievement-Unique-a176.html

[raven3]

Hmm. I said in Romanian forum section that shred might be working better.
It isn't.
the thing is I tested it with a 600 ilvl full prideful feral and it was doing numbers close to video ones. That's why I said it looks better..
But with 840 ilvl I'm still doing over the top damage with shred.

[mojtabazn]

hm this may help ?

Quote:

Shred now deals 20% more damage while stealthed (down from 35%).

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Shred