[EN] Retribution Paladin Guide PvE | In-Depth 7.3.5

[Flashmoo]

Thank you for your input @Skillshot.

From my personal experience playing in a private servers, comparing the warcraftlogs with the freakz isn't the best approach.

Here is an advice for you, better play the game and see what is like to have one or another trinket.

[Skillshot]

Flashmoo wrote:

Thank you for your input @Skillshot. From my personal experience playing in a private servers, comparing the warcraftlogs with the freakz isn't the best approach. Here is an advice for you, better play the game and see what is like to have one or another trinket.

The info posted is also valid for freakz, talking based on personal experience. But anyways, the difference in DPS would most of the time be marginal. Vial, for instance is not that forgiving to use.

[jonas11121]

Hi! i wanted to ask is this guide viable if i fully donate a ret? Thanks in advance.

[Flashmoo]

jonas11121 wrote:

Hi! i wanted to ask is this guide viable if i fully donate a ret? Thanks in advance.

No, this guide is for players that enjoy the game.

[jonas11121]

Flashmoo wrote:

jonas11121 wrote: Hi! i wanted to ask is this guide viable if i fully donate a ret? Thanks in advance. No, this guide is for players that enjoy the game.

i didnt ask that, i asked genuinly if i can copy this guide for a fully donated Ret but, okay. whatever.

[Flashmoo]

No, is not the bis donated gear the one from my guide, as I said is for players that play the game from 0.

[seigfried]

Hi in your guide you have said that after 12.5% and after 25% haste becomes useless so we shouldnt get it

I am just starting ret and without Cradle of Anguish my haste is 12.7% and the trinket gives massive amounts of haste. Is it still ok to use it?

I have
Spiked Counterweight
Horn of Valor
Vial of Ceaseless Toxins
Cradle of Anguish
Faulty Countermeasure

all 915

At the start of the expansion spiked counterweight was supposed to be very very nice. Right now I dont know which ones to use.

When I sim it it shows me to use
Faulty Countermeasure and Vial

[Flashmoo]

seigfried wrote:

Hi in your guide you have said that after 12.5% and after 25% haste becomes useless so we shouldnt get it I am just starting ret and without Cradle of Anguish my haste is 12.7% and the trinket gives massive amounts of haste. Is it still ok to use it? I have Spiked Counterweight Horn of Valor Vial of Ceaseless Toxins Cradle of Anguish Faulty Countermeasure all 915 At the start of the expansion spiked counterweight was supposed to be very very nice. Right now I dont know which ones to use. When I sim it it shows me to use Faulty Countermeasure and Vial

Hi seigfried,

Is ok to have haste up to 28-29% MAX, so you can use your Cradle of Anguish.

From your trinket list I sugest the following:
1. Cradle of Anguish + Vial of Ceaseless Toxins / Faulty Countermeasure / Horn of Valor
2. Horn of Valor + Vial of Ceaseless Toxins

Enjoy playing the paladin

[Flashmoo]

Hello everyone,

I've updated the guide to 7.3.5, 95% complete.

Once we will have it live I'll update the links and complete the rest.

Br,
Meow

[Fantasmo]

Is CoT working now at current patch ?

[Flashmoo]

Fantasmo wrote:

Is CoT working now at current patch ?

Is working fine on both patches.

Everyone,

I've updated the guide and added:
- Lightforged Draenei available for Alliance;
- Top Netherlight Crucible & Relics;

Feel free to comment of this guide with your suggestions.

Best regards,
Meow

[nkvnk]

The Judgemt Talent is worth getting even without t21 2p?

[Skillshot]

nkvnk wrote:

The Judgemt Talent is worth getting even without t21 2p?

No, becomes viable only with t21.

[Flashmoo]

Skillshot wrote:

nkvnk wrote: The Judgemt Talent is worth getting even without t21 2p? No, becomes viable only with t21.

Yes, that is true.

Everyone,

I've updated the guide and added:
- best legendaries & trinkets
- minor changes over the icons

Feel free to comment of this guide with your suggestions.

Best regards,
Meow

[Gadoschi]

How does the Crit/Haste build with 4P T20 compare to the new Judgment/Mastery 4P T20 build in terms of single target dps (assuming all set items are 985)?

Also, do you think 4P T20 + 2P T21 with Belt/Ring can be better than 4P T21 with Cloak/Ring (assuming all set items are 985), and if so, would you still go for mastery over Crit/Haste?

I reckon that the 4P bonus from T20 is better than 4P from T21 for two reasons: 1. Blade of Justice cooldown is lower than Judgment cooldown, and 2. Blade of Justice cooldown is often reset by the talent.

[Flashmoo]

Gadoschi wrote:

How does the Crit/Haste build with 4P T20 compare to the new Judgment/Mastery 4P T20 build in terms of single target dps (assuming all set items are 985)?

If you are 985ilvl, then Haste/Mastery is the way to go, but keep in mind that you still need to have at least 25% haste/crit to do proper sustain dmg.

Gadoschi wrote:

Also, do you think 4P T20 + 2P T21 with Belt/Ring can be better than 4P T21 with Cloak/Ring (assuming all set items are 985), and if so, would you still go for mastery over Crit/Haste?

Yes, with 985ilvl, 4P T20 + 2P T21 with Belt/Ring is better than 4P T21 with Cloak/Ring and as long as you have 2P T21 (even if you are not 985ilvl) you can go for Mastery as main stat. Keep in mind that Templar's Verdict is scalling very well with mastery this patch comparing with the previous one.

Gadoschi wrote:

I reckon that the 4P bonus from T20 is better than 4P from T21 for two reasons: 1. Blade of Justice cooldown is lower than Judgment cooldown, and 2. Blade of Justice cooldown is often reset by the talent.

If you are 985ilvl, yes, you are right. As for rest with lower ilvl as me, 4P from T21 is better because of the stats, the ilvl differences are too big.

I do prefer cloak/ring because you basically play on another level trying to keep the cloak buff all the time and if you manage to do it right, you will see some nice outputs.

[Gadoschi]

Perhaps a good addition to the guide would be "Best in slot gear", listed in two separate lists:

1. the ultimate best gear (985 gear), and
2. the best in slot gear obtainable in game via regular drops (with all gear dropping at their base ilvl, for proper comparison; NH items capped at 910; TOS items capped at 930; Antorus items capped at 960; dungeon drops capped at 940 or 960).

[ionux1]

how is belf higher dps than human who has 2% crit /haste /mastery etc while belf has 1 % crit ?
is lightforged good enough to consider also ?
thanks for the guide

[ryangg]

Because that 2% is not what u think ..it means 2% of that stat ,so if u have like 16.000 critical u get 2% more of that 16000 .

[Cemil489]

Thanks a lot. Very usefull guide.
Can you share your addons download link password please?
It requires password.