[FIXED] Legendary Meta Gems @ PvP Environments

[Dreadblade]

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Bug description: All legendary meta gems are not supposed to work in BGs or Arenas. In patch 5.2, Tyrannical was the best PvP gear, so PvE gear got downscaled to 496 in PvP environments. The legendary meta gems require an item level of at least 502, so they would have no effect once the helm got downscaled to 496 (since it no longer met the ilvl requirement). In the next patches, when new gear was added (Grievous), Blizzard could no longer rely on the downscale method so they had to disable them. Currently on Freakz we have Grievous gear so PvE gets downscaled to 522.

Proof: I have no actual proof of this, so I'd like if people started doing a bit of research. I couldn't really find solid evidence about the downscale part, since most threads I could find were post-patch 5.4

Either way, in my opinion the gems should be disabled. If we're going to use 5.4 PvP gear then we should go along with the rest of the PvP changes as well.

[Shocker]

Dreadblade wrote:

Either way, in my opinion the gems should be disabled. If we're going to use 5.4 PvP gear then we should go along with the rest of the PvP changes as well.

This is not an actual argument, I hope anyone knows we won't implement fixes like this. But if anyone finds proof that downscaled PvE gear causes the gem to not proc anymore, then please post

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[Shocker]

MMO-Champ/Blue tracker:

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Legendary Meta-gems In order to further discourage the use of these in PvP, the effects are dispellable. Not all of them are Spell Steal-able because frankly some of the effects are too complex to work correctly when stolen.

This might mean that they're NOT disabled in PvP, blizz just implemented various mechanics to "discourage" players to use them in PvP

Also: http://www.skill-capped.com/forums/showthread.php?26596-Sinister-Primal-diamond-for-PVP

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I've gone in to a wargame with a friend that has 2 versions of them and i can at least confirm that Courageous and Sinister Primal Diamonds do proc and have an effect inside arenas. I didn't have a look at actual haste % though casts were definitely hasted/free. Effects don't seem to transfer with spellsteals though. The proc rate is supposedly lower but the tests we did we're with a monk healer and a frost mage and from reading up on the gems; the proc rate is quite high for a frost mage and at times we did see back to back procs as well.

This guy is confirming that meta gems SHOULD PROC in arenas

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[raven3]

I did some major research about this aspect but the information on this aspect is very scarce.. so I only got bits and pieces to paint the bigger picture.

So from what I gathered.. this is how it was:
1. The meta gems worked in PvP enviroment until patch 5.4.2 into grievous season
2. You can only soecket them into a ilvl 502+ head piece.
3. They were introduced in the Tyrannical season.. and during that time you can't put it into a Tyrannical headpiece because of the 496 ilvl.
5. You could still socket it into a 502+ non upgraded pve item. If it was let's say 498 upgraded to 502 it didn't work.
But using pve head over pvp head, you would loose a big chunk of pvp resilience and pvp power. diring that time there was still pvp resilience on gear(on this I'm not 100% sure)
6. Even with the downcale to 496, the gem still proced on players in arenas and bgs.
7. The proc chance on players was much lower.
I searched for hours yesterday for more info on the proc chance on players but I coun't find solid nombers besides a lot of people saying that it has a much lower chance to proc in pvp.
One or two persons said that it had a 25% chance taken from the base proc chance. For example if a meta has 50% proc chance than against players it should have a 10% proc chance.
Another person said that the healing meta gem proced on average 3 times every 10 minutes and the 30% haste meta proced in average onece every 2 minutes.
8. The proc is dispelable and could be spellstealed by mages

Because of this very few people actually used them in arenas during the tyrannical season.
What more people used was the 20% dmg reduction meta for healers vs RMx comps and hope to proc in the opener.

With that being said.. I think that the harm was already done and there is no going back from this.
A really big number of players bought it to be OP in arenas and they already soketed their Grievous headpiece with it. So they will be very disappointed if it wouldn't work anymore.

Honestly I bought capacitor for my two monks but I don't want to play with it.(but I will have to if everyone else is using it)

@shocker
You should take a look at this ..found it in various threads but no direct blue post or twitter message:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1266490-Legendary-Meta-gems-in-rated-pvp/page2
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10195250457
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6689859158

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Meta-gems and Trinkets - All of the PvE Legendary meta-gems, the Unerring Vision of Lei-Shen and Rune of Re-Origination now have a reduced chance to proc against players. We're not crazy about hidden penalties like this, but we don't want PvP players to feel obligated to pursue these raid items in order to stay competitive.

[Rep107]

So Healers using Legendary Tank Meta gem in PvP is legit ???

[frid@y]

lol yes...


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[Rep107]

Yea... that's why they hotfixed it, go on, unbalance pvp even more.

[Evydence]

Greetings,

I've made some research, (not 100% sure if it's correct).

First: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/11944164/542-hotfixes-february-12-2-12-2014

"Legendary Metagem effects (Capacitive Primal Diamond, Courageous Primal Diamond, Indomitable Primal Diamond, and Sinister Primal Diamond) should no longer have a chance to activate while in an Arena, Battleground, or Rated Battleground."

This is posted on 21/02/2013 (quoted by some guy on us.battle.net/wow)

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Legendary Meta-gems In order to further discourage the use of these in PvP, the effects are dispellable. Not all of them are Spell Steal-able because frankly some of the effects are too complex to work correctly when stolen.

Proof:
Direct link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7923844349?page=1

Here: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/11944164/542-hotfixes-february-12-2-12-2014 (BY DATE)

Look for meta gems (December 16/2013)

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Legendary Metagem effects (Capacitive Primal Diamond, Courageous Primal Diamond, Indomitable Primal Diamond, and Sinister Primal Diamond) should no longer have a chance to activate while in an Arena, Battleground, or Rated Battleground.

And if you think this date is wrong, check this comment (you can find them aswell in that hotfix topic)
(12/16/2013)

I've searched for others hotfixes and patch, in no patch after this appear "meta gems" & "legendary meta gems".

Proof: http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/09/patch-5-4-3-hotfixes-for-january-8/

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/13021019/547-hotfixes-may-14-5-14-2014 (5.4.7 patch notes)
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/10932273/54-hotfixes-december-2-12-2-2013
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/14216440/548-hotfixes-july-22-7-22-2014

Look at them, you can't find any "meta gems"

Again, we play with 5.4.8 formulas, so it should be nice if we could play with all the fixes/hotfix, (because they were implemented for the good sake of PvP/PvE, as blizzard try until that to "test" them, but we already know how they work and how they can make an UNBALANCED PvP), Anyways they were made for PvE not for PvP.. so let's use them correctly.


Don't get me wrong guys, but PvP is very unbalanced right now, I mean a healer with that gems (proc 20% def..) is not like a PvP should be, there are already so many complaints about these gems..


If I'm wrong (but I don't think I'am) just say it, but with some proof.

I'm sure Shockeru will find a solution for this problem with PvP legendary meta gems, but if not, they should not proc in arena anymore.


Have a good time, Evy.




If you gonna hit the king you're better kill the king

[Amnezx]

Also, this was the proc chance in pvp im 5.3 where the metas were still available in pvp emvironmemts: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TKbEEWzWcOw:


Imagine that this is the melee meta with this low proc chance(the melee should proc more often than the other metas) and he builds stacks too slow. In my opinion metas should be disabled in pvp, or they should have a much lower proc chance on players(see the video).

[Sumoo]

We are having great time since meta gems were added
i'll just leave this here

[side_fx]

Sumoo wrote:

We are having great time since meta gems were added i'll just leave this here

Well let's see:
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=137596&&name=capacitance - "227 (+75% AP) Nature damage" (so it's ignoring armor) + procs from trinkets, enchants
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84747&&name=deep-insight - "Damage dealt increased by 30%."
https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=51690&&name=killing-spree - "increasing all damage done by 50%"
And it was CRIT .

[Shadowy]

side_fx wrote:

Well let's see: https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=137596&&name=capacitance - "227 (+75% AP) Nature damage" (so it's ignoring armor) + procs from trinkets, enchants https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=84747&&name=deep-insight - "Damage dealt increased by 30%." https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=51690&&name=killing-spree - "increasing all damage done by 50%" And it was CRIT .

While all these metas were made just for PvE. That's the whole point here.

[Neverdierat]

Deci Shocker ce ai de gand sa faci? Eu de exemplu o am pe cateva chars deja si am donat doar pt pvp si as vrea sa o mai iau pe inca 2-3. Asta desigur daca nu ii dai disable. Oricare ar fi raspunsul, zi-ne si noua sa stim ce avem de facut.

[Nytrox]

As Amnezx said,the metas had a much lower proc chance in pvp environments,which made them useless.

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My understanding is that yes, they're usable in the Grievous head, but as they use RPPM they proc very rarely in PvP. Like, "non-derailed, well thought out, objective post on the Arena forum" rarely. Well ok, maybe a bit more often than that, but still - the PvP gem appears to perform better.

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The only one you have to really worry about is the healer one. DPS one crits for 30k and that was 3 times over a 17 minute game Caster DPS one had an uptime of 32 seconds over a 15 minute BG (3 procs + died 2 seconds into the 4th - Multi Dotting as well) Although the healer one doesn't proc very often if it procs when you're bursting the enemy can spam... Mine procc'd twice in a 13 minute arena game but back to back so 8 seconds of free casts lol

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8181978318

[Shocker]

When was the PvP chance decreased? In what patch?
Also, any detailed info about "lower proc chance in PvP" ?

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