[Multiple] Bleeds and Poisons are snapshotting

[raven3]

Bug description: All bleeds and poisons that I tested are snapshottinng : Garrote, Rupture, Deadly Poison, Rend, Serpent sting, Lacerate
The way I did the test, I waited for a main stat proc, waited for the the proc to have ~10 sec left , applied dot and watched if it will hit the same after the proc expired. And it's the same damage.

As of WOD, the only class that should still snapshot is Feral druid but even for Feral is only for Tiger's fury and Bloodtalons.
As far as I know magical heal over time and diseases are working ok. Did a test for virulent plague and one for the disc priest dot and the dmg/tick is reduced after the proc expires.

Proof: There are multiple threads talking about snapshotting but I will leave here a quote from Quicksand:

Quote:

And maybe you didn't realize, but SNAPSHOTTING is no longer a thing in Legion, and that is what you're practically asking for. It only works for the 3 Feral bleeds and only for some specific abilities.

https://forum.wow-freakz.com/REJECTED-Rogue-Assasination-Surge-of-toxins-Agonizing-poison-t505116.html

[ryangg]

I can confim ,the dmg of dots go up and down all the time,at least for warlock and rogue ,because these are the dots dmg classes I play.

[raven3]

Dots dmg should go up and down all the time but there is a question of how.

How it used to be : snapshotting
What this means is that when you apply a dot it snapshots the stats and increases you had at that exact moment and it will deal a dmg affected by them all throughout it's duration.
For example:
You have a spell that does 10k per tick.
First you pop a trinket that increases dmg by 20% and has a 8 sec duration and then apply that dot that lasts 20 seconds. All of that 20 seconds that dot will deal 12k per tick.

How it should be in Legion (and it works as intended for magic damage over time , healing over time and diseases ... but not for bleeds and poisons):
It should change dynamically based on the procs and increases you have at that time:
For example:
The same 8 sec 20% buff and the same 10k per tick dot.
You pop the trinket and put the dot and as long as the proc lasts the dmg per tick is 12k but after the buff fades after 8 seconds the dmg reverts to 10k for the remaining of it's duration.
Or you already have the dot up and pop the trinket. In that moment the dmg goes up from 10k to 12k and remains that way for 8 seconds and then reverts to 10k.

[ryangg]

Sorry ,now I understand(I think) ...so the dmg stays (now) the same all the time and should be affected by buffs or expirations off buffs in real time not just when reapplying them ?

[raven3]

Yep.
It should change in real time.

[marvolo]

here's my take on snapshotting, for rogues.

deadly poison works fine, gets up when you have buffs, goes down when you dont, damage goes back to base when you have nothing. Or because it refreshes so fast. SO it scales in real time.

Rupture and garrote dont update in real time. a basic garotte and rupture will deal basic damage even if you get a buff (like concordance or engine or vendetta). If you have buffs and then reapply rupt/ garrote, then that bleed will be buffed for its entire duration, even if you lost the buffs. Reapplying the bleeds at or below 10 sec will result in normal damage (if ofc you dont have buffs again).

[marvolo]

and sum pruf
https://streamable.com/qjanc5

[raven3]

Update on the bug.
So the bleeds and poisons are only snapshotting stat procs like trinkets and concordance.
For dmg increasing abilities like Vendetta or Toxic blade they are working ok.

Also Feral shouldn't snapshot Trinkets and Concordance .. only his dmg increasing abilities like Tiger's fury , Blood talons and so on.. I will test this to see if it's bugged but I don't have concordance yet on feral.. :/

[zeakey]

raven3 wrote:

Update on the bug. So the bleeds and poisons are only snapshotting stat procs like trinkets and concordance. For dmg increasing abilities like Vendetta or Toxic blade they are working ok. Also Feral shouldn't snapshot Trinkets and Concordance .. only his dmg increasing abilities like Tiger's fury , Blood talons and so on.. I will test this to see if it's bugged but I don't have concordance yet on feral.. :/

I've tested Restoration. However the whole cat form snapshots Concordance even when it's already expired. Evidently bleeds snapshot in feral affinity.

@honradajulius - tried to test it on feral druid however I still wasn't comprehend the data that he has provided. It would have been nice if you or me were able to check ferals ourselves.. but as well as you - I too don't have concordance on feral
Ref:
https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Druid-Balance-Resto-Concordance-of-the-Legionfall-snapshots-in-cat-form-t582934.html


@Power can you please lend @Raven3 a test account with a full iLvL feral artifact?

[overpowerz]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/8qtdyz/do_feral_druids_still_snapshot/ For druid Snapshot still work in legion rogue also snapshot working that why on main rotation without shoulder u doing vendetta vanish rapture and u dont refresh again until 3/2 sec cuz its empower by Nightstalker same as garrote
http://web.archive.org/web/20170702221605/https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-easy-mode
for posion theres was bug on retail i dont think it got fix for rogues poision was snapshot
https://youtube.com/watch?v=P5zExZJW_HM:


please note somebugs left without fix on retail like druid shoulder lego with Galactic Guardian

[zeakey]

Deadly poison snapshot got hot fixed after the exploit started:


https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/21025532/hotfixes-january-9

Confirmed.

Trello:
https://trello.com/c/HShsV57D/983-general-bleed-posion-snapshoting