[5.4.8] Affliction Warlock Discussion

[Seyrox]

If you can't control your pet then learn how to, its 5 to 10% dps loss (depends on fight) for you to play with gosac, mg and drain soul have been nerfed heavily in 5.4 making gosac useless for affli, except where boss dies within 1 minute but that never happens.



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[Magnus06]

Hi,

I come here for wisdom, i totally gave up destruction despite beeing the spec that made me fall in love with lockcs (first caster i've been playing for years). Here's my lock : https://armory.freakz.ro/character/genesis/gontran
Ratings : 4034 mastery, 9220 haste, 2678 crit and 5107 hit.

With that ilvl 510 gear, should i go hard to get the 9k7 hast cap or should i lower it to build more mastery ? Also, which is better between Home-warding slippers and Falling blossom treads ?

[Woozy]

Hello,

If you want affliction spec, you should do a balance between haste and mastery because if you have tons of haste, your mastery will be low. ATM you should concetrate on mastery because your ilvl too low to play @ haste hard cap.
Like Crippez said its not indicated to go under 8000 mastery.
If you know a little romanian, follow the guide here

If you have further questions don't hesitate to post here

Respect.

[Magnus06]

Thanks for quick answer, also the guide is very helpful though i don't understand a thing about romanian, having spell wrote in English kinda help but i still have warlockspirit.com in french. I've read that between 500-515 ilvl the haste cap should be 6k6 so 6k6 i'll be !

To the reforger !

[get500]

in patch 5.3 haste is better than mastery
at patch 5.4 mastery do more dps than haste
what should i go for ?
5.3 or 5.4?

[Legionkiller]

get500 wrote:

in patch 5.3 haste is better than mastery at patch 5.4 mastery do more dps than haste what should i go for ? 5.3 or 5.4?

You should go for a haste breakpoint... then go to mastery. Try to get a reliable haste breakpoint... don't go too far cuz atm we cannot get BIS gear for 5.4.8.

[Magnus06]

After having a huge orgasm when i saw this : https://forum.wow-freakz.com/FIXED-Multiple-DoT-crit-snapshot-warlock-spriest-t404746-15.html . Let's talk about this trinket, first i noticed that the rppm on this trinket is upgraded when you do so and it turns out i got this trinket, does this become viable in affliction given that i track the buff correctly or should i keep Hydra/Wushu ?

[Nemoboyz]

Magnus06 wrote:

After having a huge orgasm when i saw this : https://forum.wow-freakz.com/FIXED-Multiple-DoT-crit-snapshot-warlock-spriest-t404746-15.html . Let's talk about this trinket, first i noticed that the rppm on this trinket is upgraded when you do so and it turns out i got this trinket, does this become viable in affliction given that i track the buff correctly or should i keep Hydra/Wushu ?

We will see after restart. I used it on affliction and didn't do anything but a few critical strikes for a couple of seconds.

[Seyrox]

Magnus06 wrote:

After having a huge orgasm when i saw this : https://forum.wow-freakz.com/FIXED-Multiple-DoT-crit-snapshot-warlock-spriest-t404746-15.html . Let's talk about this trinket, first i noticed that the rppm on this trinket is upgraded when you do so and it turns out i got this trinket, does this become viable in affliction given that i track the buff correctly or should i keep Hydra/Wushu ?

Maybe i am wrong, but think like this: it procs in burst and you have 35 seconds of orgasm(agony duration) then it doesn't proc for 3 minutes . I think it is better on demo since you can put doom up with 100% crit for 90 seconds, still think Wushoolay and breath are bis for affliction but we will see about that, its just low rrpm meaning low chance of proc.



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[Whyplashh]

Seyrox wrote:

Magnus06 wrote: After having a huge orgasm when i saw this : https://forum.wow-freakz.com/FIXED-Multiple-DoT-crit-snapshot-warlock-spriest-t404746-15.html . Let's talk about this trinket, first i noticed that the rppm on this trinket is upgraded when you do so and it turns out i got this trinket, does this become viable in affliction given that i track the buff correctly or should i keep Hydra/Wushu ? Maybe i am wrong, but think like this: it procs in burst and you have 35 seconds of orgasm(agony duration) then it doesn't proc for 3 minutes . I think it is better on demo since you can put doom up with 100% crit for 90 seconds, still think Wushoolay and breath are bis for affliction but we will see about that, its just low rrpm meaning low chance of proc.

Yes you are right, if you have all the luck in the world , if the trinket procs in your burst with Wushoolay active, you will have a better opener than with Breath + Woosholay, but if this will not happend, you will lose alot of DPS. Keep in mind that we play on 5.4.8 and the trinket was nerfed for warlocks by 30 - 40%. (cry) And there is another problem on Freakz, that you posted, when you want to move your DoTs with 100% crit on another target, Soul Swap will snapshot the crit again so you lose the 100% crit on them, bumer . If this is gona be fixed, than Vision + Woosholay will be better at multitarget. On single target Breath + Woosholay is better because you have a more reliable proc combination, and lets not forget the stats we lose going with Vision .

[Nykia]

Hello so I'm very new to Afflic and I was trying out and was not so convinced its better dps Wondering what I'm missing...

Maybe is Woosholay vital to the specc? I'm 518 ilvl warlock with 4 piece T15, I do have breath of the hydra but not Wushoolay.
With reforgeing I went for softcap haste (6,749) and that puts my mastery at 10573 (79%).

With this in Afflic I only got 95-96k consistant dps.

With the same gear and tweaked reforging for Destro I got between 98-103k dps depending on burst.

Any suggestions? Or just the missing trink?

[Seyrox]

Nykia wrote:

Hello so I'm very new to Afflic and I was trying out and was not so convinced its better dps Wondering what I'm missing... Maybe is Woosholay vital to the specc? I'm 518 ilvl warlock with 4 piece T15, I do have breath of the hydra but not Wushoolay. With reforgeing I went for softcap haste (6,749) and that puts my mastery at 10573 (79%). With this in Afflic I only got 95-96k consistant dps. With the same gear and tweaked reforging for Destro I got between 98-103k dps depending on burst. Any suggestions? Or just the missing trink?

Affliction is all about learning how to snapshot the best dots that you can get, it's a bit different from classes like mage or warrior where they don't really need to snapshot in order to get high damage.4p for affliction is garbage so i suggest you should swap it, keep the head and the shoulders if you can get the chest from ra-den, if not get chest and shoulders and head from dark animus.



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[Magnus06]

How/when is it worth to run Grimoire of sacrifice as Affliction ? It's too warm to bother my brain with pet management, this or i really played too much destro with GoSac. When i sac, i see the dot dmg gettint increased, which mean that with the 2p t16 Drain Soul goes 90% dot dmg below 20% target HP and MG goes 52%. Don't know if this is supposed to work like this tho but 90% dot dmg during exec phase seems appealing to me.

Btw i figured a way to calculate the real haste cap on freakz with the haste bug. No matter what the haste % is always "right" regarding breakpoints, you just get to them faster.
On retail you need 9778 to get 4 ticks on Ago with spell haste buff. So calculations are :

9778 / 425 (to make 1% haste) = 23,01
1 + (23,01 / 100) = 1,2301
Spell haste : 5% = 1 + (5 / 100) = 1,05
1,2301 * 1,05 = 1,291605
Haste % = 29,16%

After testing, i successfully achieved to get the correct amount of extra ticks for Agony, going slithly lower would make me lose one tick. Btw i think on freakz it's rounded up to one decimal after the comma so for the above calculation it may aswell be 1,2 instead of 1,2301 as you need 4 decimals to establish all decimals results for the final haste %. That could explain why at 29,14% haste i still get extra ticks where i should be above 29,16%.

edit : last mark i had on maths was 4. For Twenty. I'm a complete retard regarding deep maths.


edit 2 : Got some answers from Whypthenlshd. GoSupr with Imp is slightly ahead overall since he scales better than shiv though GoSac is fine for quick and/or single target encounters (especially when you don't switch target).

[Seyrox]

How is your Destruction dps ? I'm thinking that the spec is bugged, or I don't know, can pull 900k burst on the Training Dummy, but can't maintain it.



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[maxwell]

get500 wrote:

in patch 5.3 haste is better than mastery at patch 5.4 mastery do more dps than haste what should i go for ? 5.3 or 5.4?

ATM go full haste, you will deal more dmg apparentley.