[REJECTED] [Shaman][Enhancement] Stormbringer and Windfury - Proc

[Pendenciera]

WoW Freakz spell link: Stormbringer (https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=201845&name=stormbringer) and Windfury (https://www.wow-freakz.com/spells.php?spell=33757&name=windfury)
Bug description: Activation probability is incorrect at least in meles hits, This was not noticed before, due to the bug that was recently fixed (https://forum.wow-freakz.com/Shaman-Enhancement-Stormbringer-vs-Flametongue-Major-bug-t586473.html)


Now I do the calculations.

I was hitting the dummy for 15 minutes just hitting meles and I got the following information:

Character: Pordiosero.
Critical: 11.63%
Haste: 0%
Mastery: 19.13%

Hits meles: 715 times
Hits windfury: 126 times
Windfury activation: 63 times
Stormbringer activation: 36 times


With the following information we can say:

Let's talk about the stormbringer first:

715 + 126 = 841 ===> Number of attacks that can activate stormbringer.

with mastery we have a chance to activate stormbringer of 5.7% thus:

841 -------- 100%
xx -------- 5,7%

(841 x 5,7) / 100 = 47.9

we had to be activated 47 times but we were activated 36 times.

if we do the other way around

841 -------- 100%
36 ------- xx%

(36 x 100) / 841 = 4.28%

it's 1.42% less. You may say it's not much, but the reality in pve bouts feels.


Now let's move on to the windfury:


We have 715 blows but as only the attacks with the right hand activate the Windfury.

We can say. 715 / 2 = 357.5 with a possible error of 5 to 10 hits.

our windfury has a chance to trigger of 20.7%

347 ------- 100%
xx ------- 20.7%


(20.7 x 347) / 100 = 71.8


367 ------- 100%
xx ------- 20.7%

(20.7 x 367) / 100 = 75.9

As you can see, the number is still far away.

if we do the other way around

347 ------ 100%
63 ------ xxx

(63 x 100) / 347 = 18.15%

367 ------ 100%
63 ------ xxx

(63 x 100) / 367 = 17.16%

you can say that 3% or 5% is not much, but it is felt in the regeneration of voragines, but our rotation is not fluid at all.

if this happens only with melee hits I calculate that with the other skills it also happens.


Proof: I tried two different characters and they gave me the same results.

easy to try just hit the dummy hits meles.

Evidence of my information

https://imgur.com/a/3Dii66L

https://imgur.com/a/gTe9CAv

https://imgur.com/a/mEf5cQr

https://imgur.com/a/j5SGGNJ

https://imgur.com/a/lxb8lG1

https://imgur.com/a/ikxBVLD

https://imgur.com/a/Fsrfh32

[daikfunka]

i can confirm this even using doom winds doesn't guarantee you procs anymore (seeing as doom winds procs windfurry and its supposed to increase your chance of stormbringer procs by alot )

[Odinnadtsat]

lyanx wrote:

Pressing 1 button non stop is not rotation,bro. L2p your class and stop inventing bugs. i know that it's hard for you now cuz you need to press 2 or 3 buttons instead of 1,but stop crying. Enha is working fine now. https://forum.wow-freakz.com/REJECTED-Shaman-enhancement-stormstrike-t586268.html - look here how enha's working on retail.

Hi, you seem a little angry - especially at Enhancement Shamans. You are searching the forum for threads about Enhancement Dmg to get your hate down, Maybe lost a few games in Arena or are not top dps in raid?
Nevertheless please stay constructive like the creator of the thread!


He has shown objectively and statistically that at least in his test the procc chances of the two spells are not blizz-like. Instead of insulting the thread creator with "l2p / learn your class" you can test it objectively yourself, can't you?


After my test on the dummy under similar circumstances as the thread creator, I can say that I don't get the calculated proccchance either (significantly below). What surprises me is the volatility of the proccs. You have some of them several times in a row only to have a down phase of 15 seconds without proccs. The down phases of 15 seconds at 80% mastery and 40% haste makes little sense, tho this is more of a subjective take. I think it makes sense for a dev to take a closer look though.



There are also worse ways to report bugs - it also seems a bit weird and biased. The trend lately is to pick random videos from partially wrong expansions from retail, where not even the gear/stats is comparable and use them as a basis for any bugs.

The Monk-Mod Zeakey for example reported bugs in Trello (he likes to Focus on enhancement "Bugs" :p) and had actually started well with a detailed explanation of the formula for flametongue etc.

And at the end there is only a dry "At the moment it does on average 60% more damage than it should". Eh? Proof?

https://trello.com/c/DRiw6k1h/1028-shamanenhancement-flametongue-attack-incorrect-formula

Of course every class should be blizzlike, but I think we should avoid nerfing a class for no reason, just because it feels too strong or because certain people don't want it to be strong. Sometimes it Looks like this.[/img]

[se7enspree]

lyanx wrote:

Im playing enha shaman on freakz atm and i played on retail 7.3.5. So,i know what im talking about. i don't want to waste my time talking with someone that has no clue about enha shaman . Enha shaman is fine now,maybe a bit too op in pvp. Deal with it.

Give constructive feedback on why its fine, and why the OPs statistics have a flaw in them, don't just jump here and start running your mouth as if you are a smartass.

[Teylor]

I can confirm that Stormbringer doesnt proc as much as it should.

[Mordocc]

I can confirm that the stormbringer is also windfury is not working as it should be before it is not about pressing a button but rather how it really should be like in the blizzard

Update @ 28-07-2020, 19:29:04

lyanx wrote:

Im playing enha shaman on freakz atm and i played on retail 7.3.5. So,i know what im talking about. i don't want to waste my time talking with someone that has no clue about enha shaman . Enha shaman is fine now,maybe a bit too op in pvp. Deal with it.

man go play another class damage because you are a bad player

[zeakey]

Odinnadtsat wrote:

And at the end there is only a dry "At the moment it does on average 60% more damage than it should". Eh? Proof? https://trello.com/c/DRiw6k1h/1028-shamanenhancement-flametongue-attack-incorrect-formula

Dear Odinnadtsat,

Sorry for a "dry 60%". The main purpose of that report was to establish the broken formula.

However, thanks to your criticism I've recalculated exact damage boost on freakz which is extra ~97.14%

[Daggerinhead]

Btw normal hits and crit hits doesnt add up for overall hits. Guessing overlal hits means melee swings and also contains missed autoattacks. In that case redo math with succesful melee attacks.

[daikfunka]

lyanx wrote:

Make enha shaman bugged again so these apes can press 1 button non stop. This is what they want : https://youtube.com/watch?v=t_rvlFxGd8k: . 1 button ez high damaj in m+ and arena rofl

how do you expect ppl to take you seriously when you post a video with you using all of your cds and bloodlust to sim a 10 sec damage burst ?
and ofc you think its one button you're not even using your rockbiter to buff yourself ''played shaman in retail'' my ***, i pity the ppl who had you in their party if that's true

i don't know what you're want to achieve by trying to convince ppl that enhancement is bugged, and you've had bug reports saying the same thing be rejected in the past
you say you play enhancement shaman for a long time but idk your gear looks like you've been playing it for a week, maybe just made a shaman to report on how ''broken it is "

get a life stop being butthurt because some shaman beat your *** in arenas, and guess what enhancement shaman is supposed to be one of the best dps classes in this patch SURPRISE
that's how this game works each patch that comes out some classes might be better than others

https://i.imgur.com/s6Kyhtl.png

[Doctor Who]

Ignore Ivanx, he's been flaming everywhere he finds an enha shaman post.

Before flaming again, check this video:

https://streamable.com/qk13jr


The calculations Pendenciera made are correct, at higher stats things become more obvious and underpowered.

See at 1:48 - 18 hits (9 procs) with windfury out of 127 mele hits (127 / 2 + 18 = 81.5 total valid hits to proc windfury, counting windfury that can proc on itself since it's a double mainhand attack).

There is a 23% chance of windfury proc on mainhand attacks, considering the 92% mastery you see in the video (the 81.5 above mentioned) so details should have recorded 18 to 19 procs of windfury, 36 to 38 hits instead of 9 procs, 18 hits.

In the video i counted 8 procs of stormbringer on a total of 170 valid strikes where as counting mastery it should have been somewhere in between 15 and 16.

This is a 2 minute video, I can upload a 100 minute video aswell, but the proportions won't change much.

[Skillshot]

zeakey wrote:

Odinnadtsat wrote: And at the end there is only a dry "At the moment it does on average 60% more damage than it should". Eh? Proof? https://trello.com/c/DRiw6k1h/1028-shamanenhancement-flametongue-attack-incorrect-formula Dear Odinnadtsat, Sorry for a "dry 60%". The main purpose of that report was to establish the broken formula. However, thanks to your criticism I've recalculated exact damage boost on freakz which is extra ~97.14%

Dear Zeakey,

I would rather concentrate on monks for the moment. Enh is fine as it is, I see you're able to analyze some warcraftlogs.
Why not take some moments, as a class mod we're speaking, and take a look at windwalker's damage?

Do your job properly as a class mod,

Thank you,

BR

[Lechies]

Stop being rude unless you want to get a warning or even a ban.

Discord: Lechies#8965

[ZombeSN]

Bump! My post was rejected because of the influence of those flaming people getting triggered that shaman is better than their classes. I would really like to look into it even if everyone says "its working fine" because there's definitely something off about it.

[Mordocc]

please fix this class is one of the most loved

[P4prika]

I can definitely confirm this, I have 100% mastery on my shamans and i barely get procs, 2/3 weeks ago it was working as intended .
Now the class is very very bugged, the procs only really occur while bloodlust is active and even then it's terrible
Please look into this and fix it asap, players are giving up on playing this class despite the days of gameplay put into them.



Thanks!